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My wife recently applied for a car loan with the credit union we currently deal with (12k). We have 3 rental doors to our credit at this time. She has a full time job and I have been self employed for less than a year, I still had to sign the application to help with the debt servicing ratio's. We both have excellent credit scores and over 300k of equity in our homes.

She was denied the loan, no offer of a secured LOC or otherwise, just a flat out no. When I got on the phone with the loan manager as to why she was denied, he told me it is because we rent to a family member and his rent cannot be included in their rental calculator. This has never been a problem before. I said to him, that didn't seem to be an issue when you gave us a new mortgage 3 months ago. He said if he would have known that, we would not have gotten the mortgage and then implied that we tried to pull a fast one. At this point I throw my hands in the air and start swearing profusely under my breath. Our mortgage broker was well aware that we rented to our son. Perhaps she failed to share that little tidbit of info.

If their underwriters had any clue as to rental market rates, they would have seen that he is clearly underpaying by about 25%. My point is that we were honest in filling out the application. We could have easily fudged the numbers but we did not. We have very good credit, lots of equity, full legal suites and we declare all our rental income yet its not good enough for a 12k loan.

This ordeal has made me feel that I have to lie in order to move forward and I don't want to do that. Perhaps someone else out there has had a similar experience with renting to family and could share their thoughts. I already know I will be looking for a new lender when my term comes due.
 

Tyler - Picket Fence Properties

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If you've been self employed for less than a year the Credit Union is not using your income in the calculations. I'm assuming the 3 rentals you have are being serviced from your Wife's income using the 50% rental add-back method. You should create an excel workbook and calculate what your TRSR is using only your wife's income and I think your answer will be in there. There have been significant rule changes lately and getting additional credit is certainly not what it used to be.
 
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Don't get a car loan. A car is a depreciating asset. Only buy cars in cash, or lease them.

As stated getting loans or mortgages these days is getting far more difficult. Also referred to as " we are for the middle class " political double talk. It's a result of voting socialists into power on the federal level.
 

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I agree with not having a car loan. If you plan to buy more properties, you may find the extra debt payments interfere with your ability to get more mortgages. Many investors find the 4th property the most difficult because the banks still expect your personal income to service the debt. They don't consider rental properties as a somewhat of a self-sustaining portfolio until after the fourth. (At least that's how I remember it was several years ago.)
 

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I look at banks like stores, there is one in every corner. If you really want a car loan then go to another bank. Don't get upset over it and find another bank and move all your stuff once you find one your happy with.
 

Tyler - Picket Fence Properties

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I look at banks like stores, there is one in every corner. If you really want a car loan then go to another bank. Don't get upset over it and find another bank and move all your stuff once you find one your happy with.

I see what you're saying but unfortunately that isn't the environment we're in anymore....Every Bank you go to because of a credit decline you're sacrificing 6-8 points on your score for a fresh pull.

It all depends what stage your portfolio is at....if you have zero plans to acquire more residential properties by all means, go for it! If not, preservation of your credit score in this hyper conservative lending environment is paramount.
 

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Interest payments on a depreciating asset????? Let me repeat that.
INTEREST PAYMENTS ON A DEPRECIATING ASSET!!! Nuff said!
 
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While I agree with the sentiment, many car companies offer 0% financing.
Not quite. 0% in lieu of a discount of 2-5000. So if you save $3000 on a $30,000 vehicle over a 4 year loan that is 2.5% a year.

If you can't afford a car in cash, lease one if you have a business, get an old/used car or buy an old lease at firms like leasebuster.ca

The road to poverty is paved with new cars.