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refinancing after rehab

streetcore

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Hi everyone,

I'm still learning about real estate investing and have some questions about refinancing after a renovation. I've heard a lot of people talking about buying an income property that needs repairs, rehabing it to add value, and then refinancing to recover their initial cash investment, which is used to buy the next property.

Most of the examples I've seen use private money to make the initial purchase and then refinance with a traditional lender, often within months of the initial purchase. Can you do the same thing if you use a bank or other traditional lender to make the initial purchase? I suppose the type of mortgage would make a difference, but is it possible? Would you have to wait much longer before refinacing?

Thanks very much,

Andy
 

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Hi Andy,

I recently looked into this for legal suite development and there are no construction loans / take out loans available at this time for SFH investors available through a bank (to my knowledge). I work in land development and we typically have a capital funding structure of land equity, cash equity, construction loan, mezzanine loan, and take out loan. I believe that the problem for smaller investors / developers is that the margin is so small for large banks that placement of this capital is really not worthwhile. Typically the bank will change 50-60 BPS on a loan (0.5%-0.6%), which is substantial on a loan worth a few million dollars but only about $100 for a $20,000 loan...not really worth the banker's time. Obviously, the risk for the bank far outweighs the likeliness of payback with smaller investors.

Most of the examples I've seen use private money to make the initial purchase and then refinance with a traditional lender, often within months of the initial purchase.

Yes, this is a business system that can be done but probably will not be executed properly without experience in building and a willingness to do a large majority of the work yourself. If you are hiring a GC to complete the renovations you are ultimately going to pay the exact same total price for the home after renovations as you would for a similar home that did not need the renovations. The developer's margin is earned by having some construction management experience in execution and completing the renovations yourself to some extent.

However, there are ways to use the developer's strategy for smaller investors....(I would avoid using private money if at all possible)

Develop - refinance - hold strategy:

1. First of all, gain an understanding of the property yield = NOI / property cost. (NOI is equal to revenue less vacancy less expenses, before debt). If you are properly developing a legal suite in Edmonton or apartment, this is going to be somewhere between 4 - 6%. Keep in mind any time you promise to pay someone more than that 4 - 6% return you are paying them more than the property is able to make on a monthly basis.
2. Build a pro forma for development: Project cost, development cash flow, equity cash flow, operating cash flow statement (at minimum). This assesses the feasibility of the project. Ensure you include all of the financing costs during development (interest and principal). Until you see that cash back it is a investment. If you use private money, add that financing cost into the project cost as well. Ensure you have a development margin = project market value - project cost. (Real market value is what you receive after liquidation costs - Realtor, legal fees, financing penalties). Use a line of credit as your source for construction loan financing. Add in the interest cost of this to the project cost.
3. Build an operating cash flow based on real market achievable expenses and revenue. Take a look at the return on cash equity...can you live with the returns?
4. Go buy the home if it makes sense. Have a conversation with your broker about refinancing the home early after renovations. Ensure your loan allows for this. Repay the LOC using mortgage funds.
As I’m sure you can imagine, your monthly cash flow is going to get pretty squeezed after you bump up your mortgage to repay your line of credit. If you used a GC, you will not get all of the cash back that you spent with the LOC because the bank is going to be more conservative on the valuation and you will end up having cash invested in the LOC: an extra monthly payment that will put pressure on your monthly cash flow. In the end, you need to look very carefully at whether you are better off to just buy an already upgraded suite rather than to leverage yourself up and develop the unit yourself.

Keep in mind that if you performed any substantial renovations you have “invested” several months of interest and principal costs into the property. That is another $6 – 7k. As you can probably start to see from the numbers above the margin is getting smaller and smaller. There just isn’t a lot of margin in developing a single family home. You need to go bigger so there is more margin in the development - refinance - hold strategy.

When you look at development for rentals, generally the mindset isn’t “flip”. The mindset should be "How can I make this a solid long-term investment is low repairs and maintenance?" It isn’t about the quick fix, it is about the permanent fix that pays off in the long term.

Because of the low yield of real estate, it should be thought of as somewhere to put your money after you have saved up a fair amount of it and want to protect it over the long term. If you want to make a cash play, you are usually better to build houses and sell them retail.
 
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Sherilynn

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About 18 months ago I had this conversation with two of my bankers: TD and the BMO Commercial Division. Both said they'd be willing to allow me to buy with an open mortgage and then refinance after a substantial renovation. My TD mortgage specialist was willing to do it because we have done a huge amount of business with her, plus I refer all of my RTO clients to her. And BMO was willing to do it because they charge a $1900 application fee to cover the cost of their time.

Conclusion: nurture relationships with your bankers and ask them how to make it worthwhile for them.
 

streetcore

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Thanks very much for the lengthy replies. This gives me lots to think about and it's certainly not a easy as it sounds in some books and blogs ;-)
 

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Refinancing ought to be considered independent of the initial equity & debt stack. Many very competitive lenders are out there that like to lend at low rates on stabilized well maintained assets. Different lenders like higher rate higher risk initial loans.

Money is very fungible !
 
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This thread is great. Such genuine thoughts are hard to find. I was browsing for refinancing advice as the renovation works at home are in it's final stage. Spoke with a couple of companies of which The financial forum( Vaughn ) have agreed to meet up to discuss terms. Looking forward to it in a couple of days.
 

Matt Crowley

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Spoke with a couple of companies of which The financial forum( Vaughn ) have agreed to meet up to discuss terms. Looking forward to it in a couple of days.

Hey Owen, would you update this thread when you hear back from the Financial Forum? I'm sure other members would find it valuable to learn the sort of terms currently available.
 
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